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Be sober doctor Bros, afterall we are clean and neat and sober guys, let not make this discussion a Fcukking "fish-market", that you have behaved so far, I know we all need money and and I cry and die too,.. so we all are in teh same boat to loot the people out there,... but still Chill,..Thanks .
Chuttyum Sulfate - amir's episode has hit us all hard and very hard, real pain in da arse, This episode was actually hitting home for me...i have kidney disease and the first case totaly shook me...i live in the US where something like that would be tried to the full extent of the law...and it broke my heart that not only did that woman die unecesarily...but as if she were cattle...but i have noticed a theme in the episodes of SJ...everyone of the epis have had the same ending...no one responsibe for the injustice has ever been punished... healthcare is a part of us from day to day life and I am sure almost all of us have been through some situation like this. I was shocked beyond belief when they showed the woman dieing. Forget a cattle, it was like she was an experimental chemical that would be used and abused. Yes, I agree that they do give the message that people/government isn't doing anything. But when you think about it...its a fact...our government does not take any steps regarding these issues...I mean just look at the head of IMA...he didn't feel guilty...he was like "oh it happens, so let it happen, what can we do" Some doctors thought this episode was anti-doctors and some people living in USA (!) are questioning representation of facts in this episode comparing it to what they see in US!  This episode was about medical malpractices in India and as much as doctors protest, the fact is whatever that was shown was true! Yes scams start from admission to medical colleges themselves, where one can easily secure seat in private medical colleges by paying couple of lakhs of rupees. Doctors sometimes deliberately keep patients in ICU so that they can charge more money! My father, who's a senior medical officer himself, told me how docs sometimes even keep patient in ICU for days, even after he's dead! Just so they can charge more money for keeping the person in ICU. Operations are conducted without consent - of either patient or family member, there are umpteen cases of negligence, many times person is not treated at all even after conducting so-called operation. They make patients go in for various ''tests'' even when not needed. Or insist on getting tests from a specific lab only. There is evidence of nexus between doctors, pathological labs, pharma companies. People did share their experiences with doctors in this thread after the show's telecast. Even medical students IN INDIA contributed to the thread and shared how authorities bribe officials when they come to conduct inspection at their colleges and hospitals. Malpractice of docs for money has become more rampant now and it is indeed tragic. Low cost insurance is another. Then comes Low cost drugs. "Low cost insurance" issue: Guess which main "investment partners" are in with Dr. Shetty- JP Morgan and AIG (now called PineBridge investments) ( Source:http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/india/article.cfm?articleid=4493). Thus, I m not surprised that Star Plus (owned by Republican leaning Murdock) is supporting all the fraudulent "investors" like JP Morgan and AIG (who guzzled billions of tax payers' money after the 2008 collapse). The local state governments are funding the hospital with public funds to subsidize health costs at a "private" hospital with zero oversight as to how much profit the hospital is siphoning off from public funds. This is typical Republican tactics. Today, this "low cost insurance" is low cost. How about in 20 years? The premium will slowly creep up and up and then everyone who has paid into the "scheme" will be Ponzied out of it (as it has happened in the US) including the public eschequer. This needs to be stemmed before the rot spreads. Cheap drugs: Generic. Indian manufactured generics are the most easily available drugs in the US. The same, say, Amoxycilin will be even cheaper in India. Even then, based on the insurance plan and the co pay charged to the patient, the patient pays more than the actual cost of generics, here in the US. So, this utopian idea of having the states pay for generic drugs to all its citizens is something that needs to be looked into. Already in the US, many patients "stretch" their prescription as they cannot afford their co pays. I am not saying that affordable health care should not be a focus of the states. On the contrary, state health care has to be brought to a qualitative level and offer equal care to all patients irrespective of social standing or economic ones. There has to be a sliding scale for payment and public hospitals need to meet stringent regulations just as public ones. All graduating doctors have to work in public hospitals for 2 years or so before awarded their passing degree. Such sort of integration will bring about much needed revival of a healthcare system that has been neglected over decades. If Amir had done some proper research, he would have discovered Shankara Eye Foundation that provides incredible care for blind or nearly blind people in India. He would have discovered Aravind Eye Hospital. He would have discovered Jain hospital in bengaluru and many more such charitable trusts that offer incredible service to their patients with a zeal that honors humanity. Even this platform, India forums is run by Star TV's set of folks. That is why all the Star shows are consistently ranked higher than the other channels put together. This sort of manipulation takes some seeing through after recognizing the "pattern". As for the main focus of the program- it could have been leveraged to "educate" people about simple home remedies that can help simple problems like identifying severe dehydration and a home based remedy like water with salt and sugar in it with a dash of lime juice. Such solutions could have been taught using the forum of the show. Instead the Do who was on vacation came on air to say how his maid's son died because of dehydration. There are many Nani's nuskes that many have forgotten or not learned because their nanis lost it over the years or the kids thought nani to be dumb and told her that the doc knows best. In situations like these, it is good to have some basic health knowledge than none and know to administer first aid of sorts- extending the idea of the Anganwadi workers. The Anganwadi workers could have been showcased on this show because they do some amazing work around the country. But then, Star's subterranean money-making ideas will be left out dry. Guys am so sorry for not updating before met with an accident People trust medical practitioners, believing that they are equipped with the knowledge and skills to safeguard their health. But when this knowledge is misused to exploit this trust medical care becomes a nightmare. The profession is riddled with unscrupulous doctors and hospitals out to make big bucks at the cost of patients, but there are still medical practitioners who stand up for the Hippocratic Oath, and those who want to clean up the profession. It is generally believed that health is wealth; one can tackle any of life's problems if one is in good health. But when one is not in good health, whom does one go to for help? The system of commissions and payoffs is rampant, and sickening. And unscrupulous doctors are to be found everywhere, even operating among the poorest sections. Just as there are people who are part of the problem, there are people who are part of the solution. A major part of health care is the pharmaceutical profession. And the cost of branded medicines can be astronomical, as can the difference between these and generic medicines. Should every state government follow the example of Rajasthan and open generic medicine stores throughout their state so that all citizens get medicines at the lowest possible price? Aamir salutes doctors who are working selflessly and tirelessly in the genuine spirit of their profession -- helping people and being healers -- and appeals to medical students to hold such doctors as their ideal. These are the webs we do not want the public to visit , so hide it and no give to anyone. Drug scams and frauds of pharma companies in India - some media reports: - Drugs scam: Pharmaceutical companies wrote letters signed by doctors? - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-10/india/31654810_1_drug-companies-cdsco-drug-expert -A doctor's blog post on scams and medical malpractices in India - http://blog.drmalpani.com/2012/05/drugs-scam-in-india-and-how-to-fix.html - A report from The Independent on how drug companies use illiterate and poor people in India for drug trials without even their consent - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/without-consent-how-drugs-companies-exploit-indian-guinea-pigs-6261919.html - Another article on nexus between doctors and pharma companies in India (and doctors trying their best to defend themselves!) - http://www.expresshealthcare.in/201010/market25.shtml - DGCI approving one drug a month without clinical trials: Panel report - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-09/india/31640572_1_clinical-trials-drug-controller-general-cdsco - Article on how 25 people lost their lives in unethical clinical trials by pharma companies and only 5 were paid compensation by pharma companies - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-06-06/india/29624892_1_clinical-trials-drug-controller-general-dcgi - Doctors earn gratuity for prescribing pill - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-12-24/hyderabad/27157055_1_doctor-pharmaceutical-companies-pharmaceutical-firms - Drugs: Curative or lucrative (another article on nexus between pharma companies and docs) - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2003-09-09/mumbai/27177407_1_drug-promotion-influence-doctors-pharma-companies - Indian drug regulator accused of malpractice - Financial Times - http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3aa8af96-99c8-11e1-8fce-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1wKkjDfj4 - Pharma firms dictate what doctors prescribe: Study - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2003-09-09/mumbai/27195343_1_influence-doctors-drug-promotion-pharma-companies - 'Gifts' to docs: Govt to meet drug cos - Link - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-01-13/india/28057375_1_drug-companies-trade-margins-influence-doctors [These are not just in context of Satyamev Jayate episode. But also to illustrate how scams do take place in India. Pharma companies are not all research and development! Bribing etc. is possible and very much there in India. Indian conditions can't be compared to the USA. Nor can episodes of SMJ be judged on basis of what happens in foreign countries!] Here's an organisation called ''People for Better Treatment'' (started by doctors only). And they have lauded Aamir Khan for exposing the truth in this episode of Satyamev Jayate and condemned those who attacked him for ''spoiling'' image of medical profession - http://pbtindia.com/archives/1561 As for medical malpractices in India - whole books have been written by doctors themselves on what unethical practices are followed by doctors in India, one of them is this - http://thelastpolymath.com/doctor.html [Doctors suddenly start talking about hard work they do or years they spend in training for this profession. I'd like to know why some members of their own fraternity are speaking openly about malpractices in their profession?! Is any report about unethical practices by doctors fake? Can they say whatever that was shown in Satyamev Jayate never happens at all? Can they say confidently that all media reports on medical malpractices in India fake? The show did not generalise all doctors as butchers! But it did expose unethical practices followed by some doctors. Nothing wrong in what they showed!] ========= Healthcare: Do or Die [Column from Asian Age] Nine years ago, on a sultry afternoon, inside an unused warehouse on the outskirts of the temple town of Tiruchirapally, I had a conversation with an young mother I will never forget. She was a Sri Lankan Tamil refugee, one of the many who had fled a civil war in her island home so that her children could have a better future. Now, this warehouse-turned-refugee camp was her home. "If I had money, I could do many things. But if I have just '10, I know how I will spend it — an egg, and an exercise book for my child," she said. I remember her because she showed conviction and clarity in face of adversity. I thought of the woman last Sunday while watching Aamir Khan's Satyamev Jayate. The programme showcased a lightning rod issue: the horrific and spreading menace of medical malpractices in India told through real-life anecdotes of predatory doctors and clinics and hapless patients. The response to the programme strengthens the case for clarity in the ongoing debate on Universal Health Coverage (UHC), one of the UPA government's more inspirational ideas. There is a vision. But clarity? We are still waiting. On the face of it, everything is going swimmingly. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh talks about his resolve to do more for healthcare. India affirmed its support to UHC at the World Health Assembly in Geneva last week. The topic was a big draw. Everything seems to be going hunky-dory. But some of India's best-known health advocates are worried. Why? Last week, activist doctor Binayak Sen and his wife Ilina Sen, also a public health advocate, gave a hint of what is simmering beneath the surface by expressing their reservations publicly about the way the UHC idea was shaping up in a signed article in the Week. Like many public health advocates in the country, the Sens endorse the recommendations of the High Level Expert Group (HLEG) for UHC, set up by the Planning Commission in 2010, to work out a framework for the UHC. The HLEG report calls for an increase in public spending on health from 1.2 per cent of the GDP to 2.5 per cent of the GDP in the 12th Five Year Plan, and to three per cent by the end of 2022. It proposes that every Indian citizen should "be entitled to essential primary, secondary and tertiary healthcare services that will be guaranteed by the Central government". The Expert Group has suggested that a panel of experts should determine the National Health Package taking into account the resource availability as well as the healthcare needs of the country. Who would offer these healthcare services? The HLEG recommends that such services be made available through the public sector and contracted-in private facilities (including NGOs and non-profits). Now, the plot thickens. Another group of experts, the Planning Commission's Steering Committee on Health for the 12th Five Year Plan, have come out with their report as well. This group has a somewhat different take on how to implement the UHC on the ground. From Dr Sen's article, it appears that these two groups, with their two separate reports, are not on the same page on key issues. What is going on? Talking to several people following the UHC discussion closely, I got the impression that the differences between the two sets of experts centres on some eternally prickly issues — who will pay for this grand scheme? Will it be the Centre or the state governments that will eventually cough up most of the additional money required to put the scheme in place? The HLEG thinks it should be the Centre. Apparently, the Planning Commission's committee on health, which also has a few civil society activists, wants the state governments to pay more. HLEG supporters say that asking bankrupt state governments to foot the bill is effectively aborting the UGC. Then, there is the question of how to mesh the public and private sector to make the UHC happen in a cost-effective and transparent way.The two groups differ. The HLEG wants more of a role for the government, whereas the Planning Commission's latest document roots for public-private-partnership with the private sector taking up a chunkier role in public health. All this is disheartening. India has woeful health indicators. Most Indians have no health insurance. Most pay for treatment out of their pocket. A woman who works as a part-time cook in my neighbourhood told me tearfully that she had to let her mother die, because the family did not have the money to pay for the medicines and hospitalisation any longer. No one in any civilised country should have to let this happen. Look at our neighbour, China, with whom we are constantly comparing ourselves. At the World Health Assembly, the Chinese health minister said basic medical and health security system now covers 1.295 billion people, more than 95 per cent of China's total population. The next few months will be critical. The 12th Plan's chapter on health is likely to be finalised in the coming weeks. The plan itself will then be reviewed by the National Development Council, chaired by Dr Singh and chief ministers of various states, for endorsement. The final shape of the 12th Plan will be known only around July 2012. There is time to sort out the differences between the different sets of experts. The bottomline: India needs healthcare that is accessible, affordable, and we have a right to demand that we are not exploited when we seek treatment. One key reason the Chinese government has been spending so much public money on health has been to take the burden of families so that they spend more in the domestic economy. Satyamev Jayate showed how emotive healthcare costs and malpractices are becoming. With 2014 not so far away, UPA-2 could add some much-needed sheen to itself, and the country's image, by taking up universal healthcare. Now is the time to show some conviction and clarity, like the young refugee woman whose words still ring so fresh. Source [There is politics going on over who would bear costs for health care! Centre or State! Gross! ] Last edited by d_impy : 7th October 2012 at 03:19 AM. 
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7th October 2012
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Though being a doc, I stand on aamir's side,
we all are loots and robs,.. ok aamir you are saint and genius. Go and call me a Chuttyum Sulfate for that too, NP. I stand by Amir's side. He has only showed us the bitter truth and did not defame anyone.  "Chor ki daadhi mein tinka" << Thats how i will describe the situation of the docs who are standing against Aamir! For me, this only adds weight to Aamirs arguements.. ! I am glad he said he wouldn;t apologize...what a demand,.. Hum sab chor hai,. I am a doc and telling you. I wasnt trying to say that the show try to say bad things about the profession. What i mean is that for example they said that often doctors ask for 10 different bloodtest, when the only "need" 1. I work in the healt sector my self, and as i've said previously the human body is not so easy. Often you have to order 10 diff test to be sure, differental diagnosis etc. What I was trying to say was that I? felt this episode had a very one-sided view of this problem. I agree that many ppl in india I feel this episode is quite questionable. Doctors are not Gods. Thye cant know anything for sure. The human body is not? so easy as some might think it is. I agree, many doctors are doing a really bad job! But making ppl think doctors are a bad thing is ridiculous! Apology for what?For telling the truth? We have slaughtered many and any,..Did he target the whole medical community?No,he pointed out black sheep among them.Are they all angels?Did he not talk about angels like Dr Shetty? Prescribing spurious medicine for personal gain is an age old disease among some doctors.Take these two contrary cases. In early 60s there was a brilliant doctor whose diagnosis without tests was perfect.But the medication was prescribed from sub-standard companies. Another equally great.When illiterate patients got his prescription he asked them to show him the medicine purchased.If any chemist substitutes a wrong medicine his license was in danger.It takes all kinds to make a community. I regret to say that most of what was on the doctors malpractice episode was true (atleast it was 5 yrs back when I last practiced in India )... I have worked with many honest doctors... I have observed dishonest doctors...Aamir Khan should definitely not apologize for bringing out the facts... Whether he apologizes or not will not affect the way honest doctors work and if it brings some fear to the dishonest ones, keep it up I say... the so called doctors are trying to run for cover ... what do they think by Aamir apologising to them it will make them feel better ... well then they need to first start apologising to the millions of patients whose lives they have played with Aamir MUST NOT make an apology. He's doing a righteous job. Whatever he has shown is 99.9% true.. BUT Aamir NEVER said ALL doctors.. People are like this only.. If somebody comes up with any virtuous thing, they start pinning out the cons..leaving the pros far behind. Sigh. Doctors should indeed, apologise for their corrupt & money-making mentality. that is all they can do , ask for apology, instead of accepting the fact that there are dishonest doctors which I am sure they are aware of, but since it is an actor who is hosting they are saying he should stick to acting and not do such shows, wonder if they would have accepted the episode if it was hosted by a doctor. hypocrisy much. I don't see what the problem is? he never took names of any doctors and said that they specifically were doing it. He only said the doctors who were doing illegal things to stop and he acknowledged the doctors who provided the poor with free treatment. He criticizes malpractices of doctors so he is right at his part. its always the guilty conscience which makes offenders speak... AAMIR must not say sorry.. whatever he has done is r8.. whatever he has shown is real... some corrupt docs who has made it a practice of having commission n making ds job a business they r howling at their top coz truth pricked them hard ... well done AAMIR.. ds reaction shows u hv hit d bull's eye.. SATYAMEV JAYATE We are chors and he got us all right. They went to worst lows imaginable. Even spread dirty rumours about Aamir Khan's kids just to get back at him for this episode. Sorry docs. Just didn't expect this from you. A few doctors also supported Aamir and Team SMJ, shared their own stories. Points made by docs against him are laughable. They are angry because patients have begun to ask them questions! As if patients never had right to question already! And giving examples of hardwork etc. mean what? Does it mean you're allowed to be corrupt since you work harder than anyone else? My dad, who's a doctor himself said it had to happen since the community got exposed with this episode! Doctors' campaign is only bringing them more insult and brickbats. On every site there are overwhelming comments in favour of SJ, with people sharing their own brush with corrupt doctors at some point or other in life. i guess the truth hurts... and now, those so-called 'drs' are panicking... Asking for an apology isnt ri8 thing to do if IMA wanted they could instead get their facts clarified which they are arguing aamir is doing a good job bt in india uneducated people really dnt think they just act this can turn out to be a pretty bad thing for new doctor's who join in like me So everyone who comes forward with truth and substantial evidence to justified the same, will have to be careful about revealing the truth as this might hurt the sentiments of some section of the society because the "truth" happens to be about their profession really it's high time India's politician actually did something for the country and were made to answer for the fat salary they collect every month, Not even one of them is standing up and asking these Madscape people for the reason they want apology from star who is just trying to use his power to spread awareness among people about their right to question, obtain information and make informed decision, I don't think he accused all professional in this field but the fact is that most of them are involved in underhand dealings in some way or the other is really a matter of shame, It's India's misfortune that people who can do something about the corrupt practises are choosing to ignore and turn a blind eye, MCI is the best example of how such practises are not only being ignored but encouraged and spread by complete inaction even when a complaint is received against practitioners People who are questioning his motive and presenting his per episode earnings forget one basic thing to fight the system, you need awareness and he has said from the first episode that he is not trying to change the system just present the fact through a medium that can reach masses easily and then let people decide what's right and wrong, So are these people asking apology from a star or the presenter of the show, if presenter then why there are so many news channel doing exactly that, NDTV did years ago and if they are questioning a star then he is first one to actually make a difference and I salute him for that, Bravo Aamir you are doing an excellent job and I don't think you need to apologise to anyone for stating fact, people who are shouting horse and crying wolf should come forward and under right to information act should pass on the details of their free services to poor and so called assault to Doctors with dates and place I am sure their plea will be taken up by journalists who actually believe in publishing facts till then silence is golden...  My husband is a doctor. We watched this show...and have to admit much of what Aamir said is true. We live in the US and everything is heavily regulated here...but still...medicine is a big business. Thankfully my husband is in the percentage of honest doctors...so maybe he didn't find anything offensive in the show. In any case I don't believe Aamir blatantly bashed the profession or any doctor or doctors group in particular. Rather he pointed our flaws in the healthcare system that should be addressed. He criticizes malpractices of doctors so he is right at his part. I totally agree Amir Khan should NOT apologies. All he has done is shed light to the messed up health care provision. He never said all doctors are the same he demonstrated the good, the bad and the evil. We should take this positively and as a learning point and not take it personally. He is making people aware of the pitfalls which can/do arise in life, society and the systems...there is nothing wrong with that. e.g. his episode on child sexual abuse wasn't demonstrating that parents are negligence towards their children, rather parents should try and be a bit more alert and listen to their children and moreover should educate their children so that their children are aware that such behaviors are inappropriate and should not happen. so that children can to some extent safeguard themselves. I believe his shows will surely make a difference...and hopefully people would use his efforts as a guide to learn and improve. Why should Aamir say sorry. Isnt those also call them a Dr. who take a life of an unborn girl just for1500??????? I saw the show not 1 time he said all the Dr. are same so wots the issu here. those who dose their job honestly they shouldnt need to worry right? AMIR KHAN DO NOT APOLOGIES, YOUR NOT WRONG! I was waiting for him to say NO. and he did so proud of him i honstly dont feel that he said anything wrong and needed to say sorry for anything. If ppl cant see what he is trying to do is their lost not Aamirs. @bold... wt nonsense...AK is tryin 2 make a difference here... educating the society with the hidden horrific facts and u think he shud stop it?... goes 2 shw wt kind of a person this doc is... fair enuf... bt wt do u hav 2 say abt the video clipping tht showed wt sum docs did??... AK didn't say ALL docs r like tht... he sed those tht r shud b punished and shud nt practice anymre..thts the onli way crime of killing babies etc and other wrong doings wil eventually stop. rather than expecting an apology the docs shud gt 2geva and try eliminating those docs tht do wrong deeds under the name of "profession" Things an be said the other way round too...docs should also stick to treating people and should not speak to media...is it fair??? No it is not...then by the same logic amir should not be told what to do and what not do...if you have issues take him to court...sue him...but I guess you won't be doing that...MCI's president was there... Mr. Taori didn't he mention dr. Shetty's commendable job, didn't he talk to dr.gulati...and by the way did he once say that all doctors are corrupt... Why the entire doctor community is going berserk...instead they should look for those few doctors who are bringing blemishes to the entire community... I think this will happen after every episode...truth is a bitter pill... I feel this episode is quite questionable. Doctors are not Gods. Thye cant know anything for sure. The human body is not so easy as some might think it is. I agree, many doctors are doing a really bad job! But making ppl think doctors are a bad thing is ridiculous! They are trying to defend they unethical practices and cover them up thats what this acticle looks like. Instead of pointing a finger at Amir Khan why dont u doctors try and clean up your profession. I wasnt trying to say that the show try to say bad things about the profession. What i mean is that for example they said that often doctors ask for 10 different bloodtest, when the only "need" 1. I work in the healt sector my self, and as i've said previously the human body is not so easy. Often you have to order 10 diff test to be sure, differental diagnosis etc. What I was trying to say was that I? felt this episode had a very one-sided view of this problem. So please dont bash me, like I've said, im not saying the whole episode was rubbish. Its really good and much needed to show these unseen sides of India today. BUT I wished the show could have a more two-sided point of view on cases like these... He shouldnt apologize too!! He has done NO wrong.. as rightly remarked by him.. the IMA's repo has gone down coz of the unethical practices of the docs and companies themselves! Kudos to him! IMA iS JUST INTO ENDORSING STUPID FLUORIDE FILLED TOOTHPASTES WHICH ARE NOT EVEN GOOD FOR US ...break the dilusion that anything certified bu IMA is solution to our probelms .. Aamir is right people who are demanding apology ..there is something wrong there , they must be indulging in such acts ! I stand by Aamir. He particularly mentioned at the end that there are worthy doctors in the nation and saluted them. He was just shedding light on the fact that due to a majority of corrupt doctors in India, people are almost scared of going to doctors. The IMA should focus on finding such doctors and weeding out corruption from the medical sector instead of wasting their time and accusing Aamir, as they claim of 'defaming the medical industry'. Their action is truly shocking and disgusting, and I am glad Aamir has refused to apologize. Source: Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Doctors-want-Aamir-to-apologize-for-accusing-them/articleshow/13684232.cms An umbrella body of 21 medical institutions Wednesday asked Bollywood star Aamir Khan to apologize for accusing doctors of malpractices in his TV talk show Satyamev Jayate. Medscape India said the representation of malpractices supposedly perpetrated by doctors was "rather sad" and Aamir Khan should offer his apologies. "It is rather sad that doctors should be made the object of such shameless, unilateral scrutiny," Himanshu Mehta, co-founder and advisor to Medscape India, said. After highlighting social issues affecting Indian society, Aamir Khan, in the fourth episode of his show, turned the spotlight on healthcare and malpractices in the medical profession. He highlighted unethical practices, corruption and scandalous revelations in medical treatment. "Aamir Khan is my favourite actor and he should stick to making films," said another doctor, Sunita Dube, president of Medscape. "Surprisingly, no doctors' body has spoken against Aamir yet. We need to stand united against such blatant lies. We are going to write a scathing letter demanding an apology from him," Dube said. Medscape pointed out that doctors were subjected to assault without any fault and many people didn't understand the pressures of the profession. "Where is Aamir Khan when doctors are assaulted? Where is he when we give free treatment to the needy?" asked Kishore Taori, president of the Maharashtra Medical Council that is associated with Medscape. Last edited by d_impy : 7th October 2012 at 03:39 AM.
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here,...... is another Kidney Chor !
Dr. Sreedhar, the nephrologist who had been accused of negligence, along with Fortis hospital has accused Amir Khan and his team of improper research. He has submitted the entire case history of Mrs. Seema Rai along with all related documents. Here is the complete article: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/satyamev-jayate-doctor-hits-out-at-aamir-khan/264652-44-124.html It's quite long and there are a lot of medical terminlogies. Here is the article in a nutshell in case anyone is interested: 1.) He is a highly reputed doctor from USA and has practiced there for lots of years before returning in 2003. He explained everything that happened, why each and every step was taken. He said the main problem that occured was Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (DIC) which is a bleeding condition and septic shock or infection in lay man language. (After transplant surgeries, patients have to be given immunosuppressives which increase infection risk. Patients with diabetes and kidney failure have a high infection rate as it is.) 2.) He clarified about the blood transfusion thing and platelets as well. 33 units of blood were given which is equal to 13 litres of blood and also platelets were given. (since the patient was bleeding bcos of DIC) 3.) Valid consent was taken during each and every step of the surgery. Mr Rai was grateful to him and his team for doing his best. 4.) Later when Mr. Rai filed the court case on him two years back, the whole case was investigated from a scratch. Karnataka Medical Council gave him a clean chit after one year of thorough investigation and said there was no negligence. Surprisingly when Mr. Rai filed the court case, he did not mention about the 'lack of valid consent' at all which he mentioned in SMJ. Mr. Rai then took up the case with the MCI, the verdict for which has not been passed yet. 5.) The official spokesperson of SMJ has not yet reverted back to the mails and documents sent by the nephrologist telling his side of the story. Another article by The Hoot: http://www.thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=5990&mod=1&pg=1§ionId=14&valid=true 1.) Independent opinions by four reputed surgeons from four different hospitals of India and one of Brooklyn have diluted Rai's claims. The article says that none of such assessment was done on the show and only Mr. Rai's words were taken as the truth. 2.) The Hoot claims to have copy of original consent forms signed by Mr. Rai prior to his wife's surgery. 3.) Mr. Rai had not mentioned on the show that he has filed a case in consumer forum seeking Rs.84,55,933. The Hoot also analysed where Aamir went wrong in this episode, saying that if you are making such serious accusations, you have to allow the other party to give their side of the story too, just as it is in journalism. Here, the KMC had declared the nephrologist as not guilty, and the MCI has yet to pass a decision, yet only Mr. Rai's words were taken as the truth and only one side of the argument shown. Disclaimer: I'm simply posting the article and it's summary. These are not my views or arguments. I wonder how and why I missed this post. This should've been on page 1. And yes, one-sided reporting has been a hallmark of SMJ. But then I believe that there is lack of proper research evident in most episodes. The team seems to have simply taken the most reported cases and built them into each episode, without going into merits and demerits of the individual stories. Sometimes the solutions suggested (if at all they are) also are quite facile and impractical. I'll be honest and say I watched this episode with mixed feelings, since my own husband is a doctor. The medical profession along with its affiliates is a big business...no doubt...but it still is a noble profession. The show at times did seem lop-sided maybe because they were trying to create sympathy for those who suffered malpractice. Malpractice is a real issue...but not all malpractice has an evil intent behind it. Doctors are also human being and can make mistakes. And it is still a small percentage of the over all good care provided by most doctors. Change is good...at the same time...factual reporting is also important, especially when the views presented can mislable or shake the credibility of an entire profession. I had high hopes for this show after the first episode...still do...don't want to see it go down hill due to poor research on part of Aamir or his production team.. Wait a sec! This matter is sub judice. And no wonder the doctor is claiming innocence here or getting defensive. I am not saying he is lying. But we cannot make any conclusion on either this or Major Rai's story, since the case is still going on. It's a very high profile case, even examined by Top law schools in India. Here is Pankaj Rai's rebuttal to the doctor's allegation, complete with documents from his side! - http://ibnlive.in.com/news/satyamev-jayate-victim-strikes-back-at-doctor/265030-44-124.html The doctor obviously felt the show might have tilted balance against him. Though I am surprised why he is so angry when Aamir's show never named him openly or his hospital! Rather his reaction has made him known for sure! As for The Hoot, don't tell me about it, because it's been publishing anti Satyamev Jayate articles since the day its promos went on air. Not a fair source.
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nice thread.
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An open letter to,.................... Nanawati ::
Well, doc Susheel Nanavati, let me tell you, Sorry to say,.. but you are a big liquor !! i mean a licker,....... an arse licker to aamir. Well,.. i never mind,.... it's yr call,.. enjoy it to its last drop,...... and from my side,...God bless ya both ! And,.. if you are done with that,.. an honest advice. - Just take off that rosy color of pink eye-glasses and stop dis fakkimh praise-singing kinda dim-wit, moronic business. aamir is our enemy, doc,... FYKI. You are not only a maha-moorakh but an idiotic persona and Bewkoofon ke sardaar. Just take my words. Even though it will be hard to digest for you, but I am telling after thorough investigation. How many cases you have spoiled so far ? Some data records in the book says 116, and btw,.. 10 among them were among the 5-7 age group of innocent kids. IMHO, you should be hung up even before Kasab. You are a racist murderer. - that simple. When you are praising aamir khan and singing the praise songs of AK, that he did the right job of bashing our community, lemme’ ask you do you have any answers to the following questions. Provide be any genuine, logical, sensible and understandable understanding and I will know that, I am living on a different planet, by not knowing it. Like you said,.. aamir and Doc Nanavati,.. da freaking you, both are ChSO4 – Yess, Chuttyum sulfate, and changing yr colors more often than any changes his underwear or a “ girgit “ changes its color. If I were a judge of the court, my verdict would be,.. Dono ko liquid oxygen mein daal dau. Liquid jeene nahin dega,.. aur Oxygen mar ne. Since you both are muththa fakkaa baaysturd racists. Now listen,… 1. Aamir speaks gaali in his movie had dirty dialects like “iis larki ne mera chusa hai” in recent D K Boss movie,.. Delhibelly Speaks Bhen ch*d in movie “ Earth and when Hillary Clinton arrive sin India, he is doing syaanpatti and does the talk of Education and child welfare and by that way canvasses his movie “ Taare zameen par “ 2. The same bustard charges 3.5 Cr for one hour of show. 3. The same bustard do not take bath for long and on show explains to be neat clean, disease free, water cleanliness and such,.. read article about his not taking bath by his wife Kiran. On SMJ , he talks about health and fitness !! Eh ! - two sets of elephant teeth ???? Helloooooo !! http://www.google.com/#hl=en&rlz=1W1ADFA_enUS434&sclient=psy-ab&q=aamir+does+not+take+bath+kiran&rlz=1W1ADFA_enUS434&oq=aamir+does+not+take+bath+kiran&gs_l=hp.3...4515.11015.1.11640.30.10.0.0.0.0.2656.4579.1j3-1j6-2j9-1.5.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.OKsD-0XezvY&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=7de02ee3532ef5e8&biw=1920&bih=1051 4. The very same bustard, does his very first Coke Ad with aishwarya and also for Coke and pepsi when Baba Ramdev, told him no to , since it carries pesticides and after making money on Coke Ad he talks on shows of SMJ about pesticide sin vegetables and such,.. 5. This very same basturd was hitting his own brother Faisal khan and was having case on him and on harassing him mentally, was an inch close to go to jai, and now talks about Wife and kids hitting and spouse harassing and such on his show ! AK, man,……. you are double standard and freaking and faking fart-arse idiot. 6. In interview he says clearly I am an entertainer and hence just acting and playing and hence shedding tears and playing with human emotion sis his Pesha ( BZness ) and nothing else,… he has no social sympathy and when show is over he will be back to his movie business making money 7. Recent news says he admits that many parts of the show was rehearsed trimmed, shopped And film climate and effect was created like films to bring show effects and it was not alive show as if it is going, but intention was, to play with public’s human emotions and feeling with crocodile tears, 8 Dhoon and title songs of SMJ and many other songs of each show-episode ( rupaiya song ) were stolen from somewhere. Many of the data he presented about medical things were wrong. 9. He did not put ANY effort for the show,.. the research team, camera man, angles, show effect, choreography, song writers, r and D for data and material research dept, each did their own work, and this fart arse basturd, do “ rutting” of the well written dialects scripts like any movie, and while sitting at the arm chair comfort, started bashing Rajasthaan’s CM and ton sof others who actually worked hard at the grass root level and they know how much difficult it is,.. easier to say than do,…. But this thingu bustard, simply fakkked the docs, panchayatas, pesticide factories, while earning name fame and popularity, while playing with human emotions and made money and fame,… other research team did the work for gathering data,.. and this film guy just acted,. And he says,…. I am simply an entertainer and acting is my Pesha for shedding crocodile tears. 10. All his movies has wrong mssg, than what he speaks on show,...in Rang De Basanti - a Sharaabi vegabaond ( here he speaks against alcohol ) , see his Chutyapa movie delhibelly,..... ch*dan patti and rape in movie Earth,... etc etc,.. on SMJ he acts like any sadhu-saint and bashes docs. 11. In 3 idiots ,.. all is well songs,.. tons of water is wasted and here he says,.... " Each drop counts,.. save water" - Hey M. F. , SOB, ... for da god sake,.. please,....shut that sheedy n' shitty mouth-hole,.. it stinks and smells,...... and take a bath,... Kiran complains,....Thx. Hey,. Doctor Nanavati,..... I can go on and on about this M.F. your beloved, most near and dear one,.. yr very own aamir,… Have you any reply for the above ?? I tell ya,.... aamir is the hardcore concentrated ChSo4, and so are you. - jis thaali mein khaanaa,.. uss hi mein Chhed. Last edited by d_impy : 7th October 2012 at 08:28 AM.
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uncensored pics?
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Good news, pictures please
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 ambush, you are right.developed countries like France, Sweden, Russia etc have more cases of rape than the developing countries like India. 
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